Wrong virus detection

jph_wacheski · Post by **jph_wacheski** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:48 pm

cool,. I like the 1 setting for my screen 1280/1024 as it almost looks like real a vector display,. but I often forget and need to be proded about other peoples setup posibly being vastly different,. and that was an easy change

I have no problem with UPX as it is way faster at decompresion although slow when compressing,. way it should be IMHO. sure, it is not quite as compresive (a word?) but the different between 92 and 122 kb is negligable,.

<open rant> and imposed limits like 64k only really matter for demo scene party stuff, and I have found those guys are mostly arragant elitist pricks,. I have tried posting on pouet and they just delete my stuff,. I assume they don't like that it does not come from a 'party' or some other pointless scenester reasoning,. they don't even bother to tell why,. i just don't have the patiance to deal with that childish mentality. </end rant>

Post by **Kjell** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:45 pm

Just tried the latest build on a 100Hz 1920x1080 screen ( although the game seems to be running at 60fps ) screen, and have to agree that 1 pixel wire-frame still looks best

+ Somehow UPX builds much faster then kkrunchy on my machine ( both using default compression rates ).

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jph_wacheski · Post by **jph_wacheski** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:51 pm

ah, that sounds fine! I can build you a freed frame rate ver. if you like,. humm,. can i set that from code,. don't suppose so,. just not sure if that will screw up my hacked codin;

yes, your right it is the 'brute' setting that is very slow and it only squezes out a tinny few more k so not really worth it,. UPX should become the default build/compresser IMHO.

kattle87 · Post by **kattle87** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:06 pm

Actually, UPX was the default if you remember well! We changed it to kkrunchy because it is impressive size-side. Now maybe we will set UPX back as default due to antivirus warnings, but keep distributing kkrunchy for the ones who love the extreme compression. The warnings ARE REALLY annoying for the end user... And they may also get the average user really suspicious about ZGE, or the game they just downloaded... (BTW: It's funny how a program supposed to be a trojan could work having no network support!

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Post by **VilleK** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:06 am

I'm changing the default back to upx. Kkrunchy compress better but it's a underground "scener"-tool in comparison to Upx which is more in widespread use (even though it is also developed by demo-coders afaik). Upx is open source have a decompress option that makes it easy for virus-scanners to analyze the actual exe-file.

And why compress in the first place? If you zip or rar the uncompressed exe then the distribution-file becomes nearly as small. So if you are not targeting a competition where size matters then there is little point in compressing. I'm personally impressed with small exe-sizes but let's face it, outside of this forum and the "scene" (and I agree about jph's rant) not many people care or notice whether your game is 64k or 2mb.

kattle87 · Post by **kattle87** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:24 am

Personally I think that compressing a little is just good. I mean, why should I download 250 kb instead of 125? It's only faster, and better for the owner of the site. Lots of people may need to scavenge for every single bit of their bandwidth, or they will just end with their knees on the ground waiting for the month to finish.

This could easily be the case of jph! If he had a uncompressed game of 540 kb that would become 240kb if compressed, compression might have meant something to him.
And don't tell me I can zip it, since a single exe is far better imho (for the messy users) since you usually avoid creating something like 20 duplicates of your files

OFF TOPIC:
Plus, I hate those 7-megs heavy files that only display mediocre 2-D graphics... What the hell is wrong with some game engines?!!??!
IMO, too few people see that minimalism is a valuable thing. Since our society was all but minimalistic in the last 60 years, we have wasted so many resources...

jph_wacheski · Post by **jph_wacheski** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:05 pm

well UPX is quite fast, so using it does not seem to even slow the launching of the game,. and this way it even takes less space on ppls HD,. I know it does not sound like much,. with most games being in the many GB range these days,. but I have stoped d/l demos for PS3 (unless I am really curious

) as I am on limited b/w my self,. 20gb a month is not a bad limit but most of these ps3 demos are 1.5gb on average,. (and some only offer 10 mins of the game!?! crazy) and the same with PC games, the non-indie ones anyway. I don't want too be a part of the problem,. and besides I want to lookout for my little machine elf freinds and for them having to 'download' through a dimentional manifold of space time is a pain! so the tinny game will become more popular in 8th dimention. As well, as on the planets in the farther reaches of the universe,. so screw being nationwide,. piss on going global,. we are striving for total universal cross-dimentional penetration!